please explain from this verse
As-Salam Alaikom mga mahal kong kapatid sa Islam.
Meron ako napapanood na mga debate between Islam at Christian ay lagi ito ginagawa na halimbawa ng mga kapatid nating Kristiano ang ilang Ayah mula sa banal na Qur'an na kahit daw ang ating banal na Qur'an ay ngpapatunay na ang kanilang Biblia ay hnd nabago dahil sa Ayah na ito.accutally ito ay bahagi lamang ng Ayah Mula sa Surah Al-Kahf 18:27. at Surah Al- An'am.
" Walang sinuman ang makapagbabago ng kanyang mga salita, at wala kang matatagpuang kanlungan na iba pa sa kanya".
At ang isa pa na ayah mula sa Surah Al-An'am 6: 115 " At ang salita ng iyong Panginoon ay natupad sa katotohanan at sa katarungan. Walang sinuman ang makapagbabago ng kanyang mga salita. At siya ang lubos na nakakarinig, ang ganap na Maalam".
kaya ang kanilang Bibliya ay hindi daw nabago.
Ano ang paliwanag ng mga kapatid natin na maalam patungkol dito.
Jazakallahu Khayran
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Permalink Reply by ibrahim on -
wa alaykum salam bro,
alhamdulillah.
marami pa silang mga katulad na ganyang false use of evidence from the Quran to support their claim about the Bible.
let us analyze it, inshaALLAH.
1. yes it is true that the words of ALLAH can not be changed because those are spoken words that were revealed to the Prophets, like Moses, David, Jesus, etc. in a period of his life time, which were later written down by scribes. so the words of GOD are the spoken words as they were revealed to Prophet Moses, for example, so how can anybody change them?
2. when Moses recited to the people what was revealed to him, some scribes were writing them down, then compile them and became a book when completed. the Prophets never received a scroll or written book from heaven and read it before their people, because the revelation is by spoken words within the period of prophethood of a prophet.
3. we beleive that God revealed HIS words to Moses, in the same language that Moses was speaking, that is hebrew. but the pentateuch(5 books claimed to be written by Moses) in the bible is not in hebrew anymore but in another language which is unknown to Moses, so it can never be the words of GOD spoken and revealed to Moses.
4. eventhe Bible scholars today admit that it was probably Moses wrote the pentateuch, yet this part will prove it otherwise, deuteronomy 34:7 and Moses was 120 years old when he died... how can moses wrote this words?
so believe that GOD's words can never be cahnged and GOD revealed the taurat to Moses, but the present pentateuch is not the taurat of Moses anymore.
even if we read exodus 2:11 and other similar evidence ,nobody will say that Moses wrote it nor God spoke it.
more bro, next time inshaALLAH
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Permalink Reply by jibril patriarca on -
maraming salamat brod sa mga paliwanag na binigay mo. Insha'Allah meron pa kayo karagdagang paliwanag na maibigay tungkol dito para sa karagdagang kaalaman.
As-Salam Alaikom wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu
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Permalink Reply by Abdul Rahman Hinggo on -
Salam brother, tama yang ayah na binato ng mga christiano sa atin maging tayong mananampalataya sa islam naniwala at no question about that. Subalit ang totoong Biblia na binanggit sa ayah mula sa banal na Qur'an ay ang salitang "Armaic Bible" na kung saan itinago at nasa pangalaga ng mga romano. Kaya nga na revealed ang Qur'an thru Prophet Mohammad (saw) upang muling buhayin at ibalita sa sanlibutan na tanging si Allah lamang ang sasambahin at wala ng iba maliban sa kanya. Maging ang lahat ng mga propheta ay iisa lang ang mensahing kanilang dala kundi sambahin lamang ang nag iisang Dios at wala ng iba. (Jesus Christ said, Mark 12:29)
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Permalink Reply by Gizem Sario Öztürk on -
its just the people who changed what written in the Bible and the biggest problem only from the Christian people is u cant remove in thier minds that Jesus which is Issa for Muslims(pbuh) is not the God.. c Prophet Issa ay isinugo ng Diyos pra maghatid ng magandang balita and u try to read John 17:4 in the bible Jesus said "if u want entire life sumamba ka sa nag-iisang Diyos na nagsugo din sakanya",Jesus never say na sambahin xa nor sya ang Diyos because Allah is only one the Most High:the Most Beneficient ..Bible and Qur'an are mostly same tao lang nagbabago..khit sa babae kung pno manamit nakasulat din sa bible na ang babae should be nakabalot ng tulad ni Mary which is Meriam for Muslims(a.s.)& isang fardhu for Muslim woman...about sa pagakain ng baboy nkasulat din sa Leviticus 11:7-8 sa old testament: na ang baboy even have divided hoofs but doesnt chew-the-cud its unclear for u..so people cant eat it kasi marumi...and specially about sa nagiisang Diyos(swt) na kinikilala nila.. i hope i shared little knowledge that i knew about bible which likely same sa Qu'ran.
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Permalink Reply by ibrahim on
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assalamu alaykum bro,
alhamdulillah,
ang pinakagusto nilang palabasin sa paggamit nila ng mga ayah sa Quran like this, is to support their claim and belief of the Bible as the words of God din daw.
pero ang tanong natin dyan sa kanila, salita nga ba ng Dios ang Biblia? tama ang sinabi ng ayah na wlang mkapagbabago sa mga salita ni ALLAH, pero siyasatin muna natin kung Biblia ba ang tinutukoy ng Quran na Salita ni ALLAH, dahil ang binaggit sa Quran ay Tawrat ni Moses, Zabur ni Dawud(or David), Injil ni Eissa or Jesus, sumakanila nawa ang kapayapaan, at hindi ang Biblia.
at saka bro, ang binago nila na ang kinalabasan ngayon ay Biblia hindi ang mga Salita ni ALLAH, kundi salita ng mga tao din lang. Dahil ang Salita tlaga ni ALLAH ay hindi na mababago, kung ano man ang nasabi Niya, ay nasabi na.
tingnan mo ang sinabi ng Revised Standard Version , doon sa appendix kung sino ang mga author ng mga aklat ng Biblia, ay karamihan doon hindi alam kung sino ang sumulat.
kahit yong mga aklat daw ni Moses, na sinasabi ng mga Kristiyano, ay probably Moses pa ang author, meaning hindi rin sila sigurado na si Moses nga, lalo na yng sa deuteronomio na tungkol sa kamatayan ni Moses.
kaya ang malaking problema talaga nila ay ang pagangkin ng Biblia na salita ng Dios, na kung siyasatin ay hindi naman talaga.
kahit tingnan nalang ang laman ng Biblia ay maraming patunay na hindi siya salita ng Dios.
jazakallahu khayran
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Permalink Reply by alMadz on -
Bismillah walhamdulillah wassalatu wassalamu 'ala Rasoolillah.
Maraming salamat sa tanong bro.
Ang kanilang ginawang patunay na ang Bibliya daw ay di napalitan ay isang talaga sa Quran. Alam natin na may pamamaraan upang ang Quran ay maipaliwanag nang ito ay maintindihan natin ng lubos. Click na lang dito tungkol sa pamamaraan ng pagpaliwanag ng Quran: http://bangsa-islam.blogspot.com/2006/04/tafseer-of-quran.html
Samakatuwid, dapat natin ibalik sa Propeta o di kaya'y sa mga Sahabah at maging ang mga later scholars tungkol sa kahulugan ng talata na ito. Ika nga tingnan natin kung ano ang tafseer ng verse na ito:
Siguro mabuti pa i copy paste ko na lang:
In the phrase, "None can change His words," Almighty Allah explains that His words cannot be changed because the information they contain is true and law in them are just. No one can change their truth to falsehood or their justice to injustice. What is mentioned here is elaborated on elsewhere. For example"
"And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All Hearer, the All Knower. 6:115.
Elsewhere in the Qur'an the Almighty explained that He can change or replace whatever of His verse He wishes:
"And when I replace a verse with another - and Allah knows best what He reveals. 16:101
"None can change His words" also means that no one can change either His "creational words" or His "legal words". regarding His "creational words" it is obvious that no one can change them. For if Allah said, "Be!" regarding something, no one can change it. As for His "legal words", the negation of change is not in regards to the existence of change, but in regard to its legal possibility. It is not legally possible for anyone to change Allah's "Legal words". It is obligatory on all to submit to Allah and surrender their will to Him. If someone claimed that they found people who changed Allah's words, where Allah has referred to it regarding the Bedouins:
"They want to change Allah's Words" 48:15
The refers to "legal change". This type of change could occur at human hands leading to their distortion of Allah's words and removing them from their contexts, and interpreting them in a way different from what Allah intended."
Soorah al Kahf Pg. 90. Bilal Philips.
Yun naman pala kapatid. Pag sinabing Salita ng Diyos, hindi naman kaagad nangangahulugang Kapahayagan / Kasulatan / Rebelasyon.
1. Salita ng Diyos patungkol sa Kanyang paglikha "Creational Words" o sa wikang Arabic Kalam al Qawniyyah. Ito yung salita ni Allah pag siya ay naglikha o nag kusa na iiral ang isang bagay sa kanyang salita na "Kun" (Be). Itong uri ng salita ng Diyos ay hindi talaga mababago. Walang may kapangyarihan na makakapigil at makakahadlang dito.
2. Salita ng Diyos patungkol sa Kanyang batas "Legal Words" na napapaloob sa kasulatan at kapahayagan. Dalawa daw ang explanation dito:
Una. Walang makapagbabago sa pag iral ng batas ni Allah. Halimbawa nakasulat na na bawal kumain ng Baboy, wala nang pwede pang makapagbago nun. (please note in life and death situation a Muslim is allowed to consume pork just enough to save his life).
Pangalawa: Halimbawa kahit na nakaulat na bawal kumain ng Baboy pero may mga taong nais pa rin na sumuway dito at sila ay nagtagumpay. Ito ang tinutukoy sa 48:15. Ika nga sabi ni Dr. Bilal ito ay "legal change" at ito ay maaring mangyari sa kamay ng tao.
Katunayan nangyari nga na pinalitan ng tao ang salita ng Diyos.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. 2:79
Ang bibliya daw ang best selling the libro sa buong mundo.
Summary
The phrase "Word of God" does not necessarily mean the scriptures that He sent down. When Allah wants to create something He just say "Be" and it comes into existence. And this is the Word of God that cannot be changed. Meaning His Will, His decision, His Decree, His creation cannot be changed by anyone.
Concerning the Scriptures that came from God that contains His laws etc., "None can change His words" does not mean in this context that there was no changes made (in Allah's previous revelation indeed there was) but it means that no one can possibly 'change' Allah's words in its legal possibility (like someone saying that He is not bound by the laws of the Quran). In other words no one can say "Im above the law of the Quran". The obligation to follow the Qur'an cannot be changed.
Allahu Alam.
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Permalink Reply by jibril patriarca on
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As-Salam Alaikom maraming salamat brother sa napakaganda at malinaw na mga paliwanag, may Allah the AlMighty reward you, Jaza kallahu Khair.
alMadz said:Bismillah walhamdulillah wassalatu wassalamu 'ala Rasoolillah.
Maraming salamat sa tanong bro.
Ang kanilang ginawang patunay na ang Bibliya daw ay di napalitan ay isang talaga sa Quran. Alam natin na may pamamaraan upang ang Quran ay maipaliwanag nang ito ay maintindihan natin ng lubos. Click na lang dito tungkol sa pamamaraan ng pagpaliwanag ng Quran: http://bangsa-islam.blogspot.com/2006/04/tafseer-of-quran.html
Samakatuwid, dapat natin ibalik sa Propeta o di kaya'y sa mga Sahabah at maging ang mga later scholars tungkol sa kahulugan ng talata na ito. Ika nga tingnan natin kung ano ang tafseer ng verse na ito:
Siguro mabuti pa i copy paste ko na lang:
In the phrase, "None can change His words," Almighty Allah explains that His words cannot be changed because the information they contain is true and law in them are just. No one can change their truth to falsehood or their justice to injustice. What is mentioned here is elaborated on elsewhere. For example"
"And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All Hearer, the All Knower. 6:115.
Elsewhere in the Qur'an the Almighty explained that He can change or replace whatever of His verse He wishes:
"And when I replace a verse with another - and Allah knows best what He reveals. 16:101
"None can change His words" also means that no one can change either His "creational words" or His "legal words". regarding His "creational words" it is obvious that no one can change them. For if Allah said, "Be!" regarding something, no one can change it. As for His "legal words", the negation of change is not in regards to the existence of change, but in regard to its legal possibility. It is not legally possible for anyone to change Allah's "Legal words". It is obligatory on all to submit to Allah and surrender their will to Him. If someone claimed that they found people who changed Allah's words, where Allah has referred to it regarding the Bedouins:
"They want to change Allah's Words" 48:15
The refers to "legal change". This type of change could occur at human hands leading to their distortion of Allah's words and removing them from their contexts, and interpreting them in a way different from what Allah intended."
Soorah al Kahf Pg. 90. Bilal Philips.
Yun naman pala kapatid. Pag sinabing Salita ng Diyos, hindi naman kaagad nangangahulugang Kapahayagan / Kasulatan / Rebelasyon.
1. Salita ng Diyos patungkol sa Kanyang paglikha "Creational Words" o sa wikang Arabic Kalam al Qawniyyah. Ito yung salita ni Allah pag siya ay naglikha o nag kusa na iiral ang isang bagay sa kanyang salita na "Kun" (Be). Itong uri ng salita ng Diyos ay hindi talaga mababago. Walang may kapangyarihan na makakapigil at makakahadlang dito.
2. Salita ng Diyos patungkol sa Kanyang batas "Legal Words" na napapaloob sa kasulatan at kapahayagan. Dalawa daw ang explanation dito:
Una. Walang makapagbabago sa pag iral ng batas ni Allah. Halimbawa nakasulat na na bawal kumain ng Baboy, wala nang pwede pang makapagbago nun. (please note in life and death situation a Muslim is allowed to consume pork just enough to save his life).
Pangalawa: Halimbawa kahit na nakaulat na bawal kumain ng Baboy pero may mga taong nais pa rin na sumuway dito at sila ay nagtagumpay. Ito ang tinutukoy sa 48:15. Ika nga sabi ni Dr. Bilal ito ay "legal change" at ito ay maaring mangyari sa kamay ng tao.
Katunayan nangyari nga na pinalitan ng tao ang salita ng Diyos.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. 2:79
Ang bibliya daw ang best selling the libro sa buong mundo.
Summary
The phrase "Word of God" does not necessarily mean the scriptures that He sent down. When Allah wants to create something He just say "Be" and it comes into existence. And this is the Word of God that cannot be changed. Meaning His Will, His decision, His Decree, His creation cannot be changed by anyone.
Concerning the Scriptures that came from God that contains His laws etc., "None can change His words" does not mean in this context that there was no changes made (in Allah's previous revelation indeed there was) but it means that no one can possibly 'change' Allah's words in its legal possibility (like someone saying that He is not bound by the laws of the Quran). In other words no one can say "Im above the law of the Quran". The obligation to follow the Qur'an cannot be changed.
Allahu Alam.
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Permalink Reply by alMadz on
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Wa alaikumussalam. Barakallah Feek. Biyayaan ka ni Allah bro.
jibril patriarca said:As-Salam Alaikom maraming salamat brother sa napakaganda at malinaw na mga paliwanag, may Allah the AlMighty reward you, Jaza kallahu Khair.
alMadz said:Bismillah walhamdulillah wassalatu wassalamu 'ala Rasoolillah.
Maraming salamat sa tanong bro.
Ang kanilang ginawang patunay na ang Bibliya daw ay di napalitan ay isang talaga sa Quran. Alam natin na may pamamaraan upang ang Quran ay maipaliwanag nang ito ay maintindihan natin ng lubos. Click na lang dito tungkol sa pamamaraan ng pagpaliwanag ng Quran: http://bangsa-islam.blogspot.com/2006/04/tafseer-of-quran.html
Samakatuwid, dapat natin ibalik sa Propeta o di kaya'y sa mga Sahabah at maging ang mga later scholars tungkol sa kahulugan ng talata na ito. Ika nga tingnan natin kung ano ang tafseer ng verse na ito:
Siguro mabuti pa i copy paste ko na lang:
In the phrase, "None can change His words," Almighty Allah explains that His words cannot be changed because the information they contain is true and law in them are just. No one can change their truth to falsehood or their justice to injustice. What is mentioned here is elaborated on elsewhere. For example"
"And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All Hearer, the All Knower. 6:115.
Elsewhere in the Qur'an the Almighty explained that He can change or replace whatever of His verse He wishes:
"And when I replace a verse with another - and Allah knows best what He reveals. 16:101
"None can change His words" also means that no one can change either His "creational words" or His "legal words". regarding His "creational words" it is obvious that no one can change them. For if Allah said, "Be!" regarding something, no one can change it. As for His "legal words", the negation of change is not in regards to the existence of change, but in regard to its legal possibility. It is not legally possible for anyone to change Allah's "Legal words". It is obligatory on all to submit to Allah and surrender their will to Him. If someone claimed that they found people who changed Allah's words, where Allah has referred to it regarding the Bedouins:
"They want to change Allah's Words" 48:15
The refers to "legal change". This type of change could occur at human hands leading to their distortion of Allah's words and removing them from their contexts, and interpreting them in a way different from what Allah intended."
Soorah al Kahf Pg. 90. Bilal Philips.
Yun naman pala kapatid. Pag sinabing Salita ng Diyos, hindi naman kaagad nangangahulugang Kapahayagan / Kasulatan / Rebelasyon.
1. Salita ng Diyos patungkol sa Kanyang paglikha "Creational Words" o sa wikang Arabic Kalam al Qawniyyah. Ito yung salita ni Allah pag siya ay naglikha o nag kusa na iiral ang isang bagay sa kanyang salita na "Kun" (Be). Itong uri ng salita ng Diyos ay hindi talaga mababago. Walang may kapangyarihan na makakapigil at makakahadlang dito.
2. Salita ng Diyos patungkol sa Kanyang batas "Legal Words" na napapaloob sa kasulatan at kapahayagan. Dalawa daw ang explanation dito:
Una. Walang makapagbabago sa pag iral ng batas ni Allah. Halimbawa nakasulat na na bawal kumain ng Baboy, wala nang pwede pang makapagbago nun. (please note in life and death situation a Muslim is allowed to consume pork just enough to save his life).
Pangalawa: Halimbawa kahit na nakaulat na bawal kumain ng Baboy pero may mga taong nais pa rin na sumuway dito at sila ay nagtagumpay. Ito ang tinutukoy sa 48:15. Ika nga sabi ni Dr. Bilal ito ay "legal change" at ito ay maaring mangyari sa kamay ng tao.
Katunayan nangyari nga na pinalitan ng tao ang salita ng Diyos.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. 2:79
Ang bibliya daw ang best selling the libro sa buong mundo.
Summary
The phrase "Word of God" does not necessarily mean the scriptures that He sent down. When Allah wants to create something He just say "Be" and it comes into existence. And this is the Word of God that cannot be changed. Meaning His Will, His decision, His Decree, His creation cannot be changed by anyone.
Concerning the Scriptures that came from God that contains His laws etc., "None can change His words" does not mean in this context that there was no changes made (in Allah's previous revelation indeed there was) but it means that no one can possibly 'change' Allah's words in its legal possibility (like someone saying that He is not bound by the laws of the Quran). In other words no one can say "Im above the law of the Quran". The obligation to follow the Qur'an cannot be changed.
Allahu Alam.
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Permalink Reply by jibril patriarca on
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Alhamdulillahi Rabbil Aalamin, As-salatu was-salamu ala Rasullulah wa ashabihi ajmain.
maraming maraming salamat sa mga kasagutan na iniambag ninyo mga mahal kong kapatid sa pananampalatayang Islam at tunay na karagdagan sa aking kaalaman at maging sa mga kapatid natin na makakabasa nito kng paano tayo makapag bigay paliwanag sa mga hindi muslim tungkol sa ganitong klaseng sitwasyon na mga katanungan. Nawa'y gabayan tayo lahat na mga muslim ni Allah (swt) sa pag unawa at pagsabuhay at pag papahayag ng kanyang banal na Qur'an at sa Hadeeth ng propeta (saws).
As-Salam Alaikom wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu
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