Naniniwala Ba Ang Mga Muslim Na May Salita Ng Diyos Sa Bagong Tipan Ng Bibliya?

May mga mangangaral ng Islam na gumagamit ng mga talata ng bagong tipan bilang patunay sa mga bagay-bagay tungkol sa relihiyon;

Ang mga talata bang ginagamit nila ay kanilang pinaniniwalaang salita ng Diyos?


Ito po ay dapat maunawaan ng lahat.


Maraming salamat po!



WhiteJewel

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My dear brothers and sisters, in ISLAM we believe that there are many words of ALLAH in the Bible. Because that is part of the Pilars of our Faith in islam, (to believe in his holy book) but does not mean to worship the creation.
I am asking particularly about the NT bro

do you believe that there is/are words of Allah in the NT?

Salam

Abdul Rahman Hinggo said:
My dear brothers and sisters, in ISLAM we believe that there are many words of ALLAH in the Bible. Because that is part of the Pilars of our Faith in islam, (to believe in his holy book) but does not mean to worship the creation.
Salam, again my dear brothers and sisters, in islam we believe that there is a word of ALLAH in the Bible either new or old testament. Anyway sometimes we are reffering chapter in the new testament of the bible for some good reason, in consideration to the non muslim people. To correct, explain very well and voice out the word of allah in the new testament of the bible.
wa alaykum salam mga bro,

alhamdulillah,

tama na naniniwala tayo sa mga naunang mga revealed books to the previous Prophets, like the Taurat(Torah or Law) to Moses, alayhi salam, and Injil (or Gospel) to Eissa(Jesus), alayhi salam, but the Bible today does not contain the Taurat of Moses nor the Injil of Eissa, becuase the Bible today is no longer the orginal revealed books and it has been corrupted.

whatever is in the Bible that may agree with the Qur'an, we may believe it may contain the remnant message of the previous revelations, but not exactly the words of ALLAH.

when we say words of ALLAH, they are the exact words that ALLAH spoke or revealed to the Prophet in the language of that particular Prophet.

today the Bible is not in the language of Moses which was Hebrew nor of Jesus(Eissa) which was aramaic.

and furthermore , the Bible contains falsehoood, contradictions within itself, with established facts of science, obsurdities, immoralities, terrorrism, cannibalism, oppression to women,etc. which we cannot believe to have been coming from ALLAH who is The All-knowing,The All-wise, The Just, and The Source of High Morals, and The Most Merciful.

we sometimes use the verses of the Bible, in the old or new testament, inorder to show to the christians the similarity of the biblical teachings with the teachings of the Qur'an in Islam, because the christian believes in the bible as the words of God.

in short, we use the Bible as evidence only for the christians, but not for us as muslims, in which our final book of guidance from ALLAH that we believe and we follow today is only The Glorious Qur'an.

may ALLAH guide us all, ameen.
This is a good response for me.

Salam bro.

ibrahim said:
wa alaykum salam mga bro,

alhamdulillah,

tama na naniniwala tayo sa mga naunang mga revealed books to the previous Prophets, like the Taurat(Torah or Law) to Moses, alayhi salam, and Injil (or Gospel) to Eissa(Jesus), alayhi salam, but the Bible today does not contain the Taurat of Moses nor the Injil of Eissa, becuase the Bible today is no longer the orginal revealed books and it has been corrupted.

whatever is in the Bible that may agree with the Qur'an, we may believe it may contain the remnant message of the previous revelations, but not exactly the words of ALLAH.

when we say words of ALLAH, they are the exact words that ALLAH spoke or revealed to the Prophet in the language of that particular Prophet.

today the Bible is not in the language of Moses which was Hebrew nor of Jesus(Eissa) which was aramaic.

and furthermore , the Bible contains falsehoood, contradictions within itself, with established facts of science, obsurdities, immoralities, terrorrism, cannibalism, oppression to women,etc. which we cannot believe to have been coming from ALLAH who is The All-knowing,The All-wise, The Just, and The Source of High Morals, and The Most Merciful.

we sometimes use the verses of the Bible, in the old or new testament, inorder to show to the christians the similarity of the biblical teachings with the teachings of the Qur'an in Islam, because the christian believes in the bible as the words of God.

in short, we use the Bible as evidence only for the christians, but not for us as muslims, in which our final book of guidance from ALLAH that we believe and we follow today is only The Glorious Qur'an.

may ALLAH guide us all, ameen.
i agree with bro ibrahim,

though we believe in the previous revelations, this doesnt include the NT because it is not only a matter of translation but the texts themselves. The injeel was revealed to Prophet Jesus pbuh yet the NT was written long after him by unknown people to Jesus pbuh such as Paul, Luke, Mark, ect, so how could it be the injeel mentioned in the Quran?

No word of Allah in the NT, not a single; though there are passages that conform to Islamic teachings.

Salam
Alhamdulillah brothers, thats right bro in literal there is no word of ALLAH in the NT. Coz the word of allah that they are using before is Armaic, but in translation of meaning ofcoarse there is a word of allah. (Its just like ''Alfatiha'' that is the word of Allah but in translation into defferent languages that is not the word of allah, likewise only the meaning is the word of allah. Inshallah may allah bless us and forgive our sin.
As I said bro, it is not a question of translation but the book itself.

If it is a translation from the original aramaic injeel, i would have no objection to what you say because the Quran is also translated from arabic to other languages.

but the point is that, in the case of the Quran, the translation is from the authentic Quran because we have no doubt with full of evidences that the Quran in which the translations are based upon is the real Quran revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

On the other hand, the NT is not a translation from the injeel which Allah revealed to Prophet Jesus pbuh, but from people who wrote after him. So it is not a translation from the Injeel at all.

I hope that that's clear now.

Salam


Abdul Rahman Hinggo said:
Alhamdulillah brothers, thats right bro in literal there is no word of ALLAH in the NT. Coz the word of allah that they are using before is Armaic, but in translation of meaning ofcoarse there is a word of allah. (Its just like ''Alfatiha'' that is the word of Allah but in translation into defferent languages that is not the word of allah, likewise only the meaning is the word of allah. Inshallah may allah bless us and forgive our sin.
alhamdulillah ,

maraming salamat sa mga responses bro.

actually bro, ang Salita ni ALLAH ay ang original na salita lamang, nang ito ay ipinahayag Niya sa Kaniyang Propeta,(example ang Arabic Qur'an ay Salita ni ALLAH, ang english translation of the meaning ay salin ng tao na lamang) at ang translation naman ng kahulugan ay salita ito ng tao kung paano niya isinalin sa ibang linguahe upang maunawaan ang kahulugan ng Salita ni ALLAH ng hindi mga arabo, pero hindi natin maaaring sabihin na salita ni ALLAH ang translation, dahil ang translation or meaning ay maaaring magkamali dahil tao ang nagsabi o nagsalin nito.

ngayon tungkol sa New Testament, ito ay hindi translation or meaning ng Injil ni Eissa(Gopsel of Jesus), dahil wala din ang original ng Injil, at isa pa katulad ng sinabi ni whitejewel na ang new testament ay sinulat na lamang ng mga tao, bilang kasaysayan sa buhay daw ni Jesus, pagkalipas ng matagal na panahong wala na si Jesus sa mundo.

at ang mga sumulat ay hindi pa mga apostoles ni Jesus, sa katunayan pa ay masmarami pa ang naisulat ng isang nagangkin na apostol daw siya ni Jesus, sa katauhan ni Pablo, (nasa 21 books out of 29 books of the new testament ang naisulat ni pablo, na tagapag-usig pa ng mga tagasunod ni Jesus, nang siya ay nabubuhay pa) na ang mga aral ay salungat sa mga aral ni Jesus na mababasa sa mga sumulat ng Gospels o Evangelio na nasa new testament ngayon.

kung meron mang aral sa new testament na tumugma sa aral ng Quran, ito ay hindi natin maituring na Salita ni ALLAH,kundi kahawig lamang sa kahulugan ng mensahe sa Quran, kaya dapat maniwala ang mga christiano sa Qur'an, dahil merong maraming mga similarities doon sa mga nalalabing kahulugan ng mensahe ng Propeta Eissa, alayhi salam, na mababasa sa Gospels ng New Testament, at pati si Jesus ay nagsabi sa Gospels tungkol sa pagdating ni Propeta Muhammad, sallallahu alayhi wa salam.

sana ay nakadagdag tayo ng linaw sa ating mga bro, naway patuloy tayong gabayan ni ALLAH,ameen, wa salam
Tama agree ako dyan sa sinabi mo bro ibrahim


kung ituturing yung mga aral ng new testament na Salita ni Allah s.w.t. dahil tumutugma sa Qur'an, papano naman yung mga aral sa vidas ng mga hindu na tumutugma sa Qur'an, sasabihin ba natin na salita din ito ni Allah dahil tumutugma sa Quran, palagay ko hindi.

Salam
ang mga tumutugmang aral ng ibang mga aklat sa kahulugan ng mga ayahs sa Quran ay ating tinatanggap na mabuti at tama, dahil ang Qur'an ay ang Furqan , na hambingan ng tama o mali.

halimbawa may mga aral sa vedas na ang kahulugan , na ang Supreme God ay iisa at wala Siyang image. ito ay tumutugma din sa kahulugan ng aral sa Quran, kaya masasabi natin na tama yong ganong aral sa vedas.

kaya bakit sinabi ni ALLAH sa Quran suratul Alimran 3:64 the english meaning telling prophet Muhammad,sas, "Say , o people of the book, come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but ALLAH, and that we associate no partners with HIM, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides ALLAH.then if they turn away, say bear witness that we are submitters (as Muslims) "

people of the book is referred here as the jews and the christians, and also it includes other people who have their own books believed to be from GOD, in which there are similarities with those mentioned in the Quran,

that the first similarity that we should talk about is
1. the tawheed which is the most important message of the Quran.
2. that we associate no partners with HIM- meaning all those who associate partners with ALLAH including the jews, christians, hindus, budhists,etc
3. that none of us shall take others as lords besides ALLAH- all of them who do this like the jews,christians, hindus, budhists, etc are told here not to do it-and also since they cant find these teachings in their sacred books

4. then if they turn away, say bear witness that we are submitters (as Muslims)--this is conclusion of dawah procedure from #1 which begins with simalirities in the messages of their sacred scriptures.

pero kung ano man ang tumugma ay hindi natin sinasabi na salita ni ALLAH yon, kundi maaring kahawig siya sa mga kahulugan ng Salita ni ALLAH sa Qur'an.
AlhamduLILLAH! npakaganda ng discussion na 2. mayroon akong natotonan tungkol sa biblia or new testament

ibrahim said:
ang mga tumutugmang aral ng ibang mga aklat sa kahulugan ng mga ayahs sa Quran ay ating tinatanggap na mabuti at tama, dahil ang Qur'an ay ang Furqan , na hambingan ng tama o mali.

halimbawa may mga aral sa vedas na ang kahulugan , na ang Supreme God ay iisa at wala Siyang image. ito ay tumutugma din sa kahulugan ng aral sa Quran, kaya masasabi natin na tama yong ganong aral sa vedas.

kaya bakit sinabi ni ALLAH sa Quran suratul Alimran 3:64 the english meaning telling prophet Muhammad,sas, "Say , o people of the book, come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but ALLAH, and that we associate no partners with HIM, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides ALLAH.then if they turn away, say bear witness that we are submitters (as Muslims) "

people of the book is referred here as the jews and the christians, and also it includes other people who have their own books believed to be from GOD, in which there are similarities with those mentioned in the Quran,

that the first similarity that we should talk about is
1. the tawheed which is the most important message of the Quran.
2. that we associate no partners with HIM- meaning all those who associate partners with ALLAH including the jews, christians, hindus, budhists,etc
3. that none of us shall take others as lords besides ALLAH- all of them who do this like the jews,christians, hindus, budhists, etc are told here not to do it-and also since they cant find these teachings in their sacred books

4. then if they turn away, say bear witness that we are submitters (as Muslims)--this is conclusion of dawah procedure from #1 which begins with simalirities in the messages of their sacred scriptures.

pero kung ano man ang tumugma ay hindi natin sinasabi na salita ni ALLAH yon, kundi maaring kahawig siya sa mga kahulugan ng Salita ni ALLAH sa Qur'an.

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