Christian and Islam in John 14:6...
Naniniwala po ba tayo sa verse ng John 14:6, at may kaugnayan po ba ito sa ating pananampalataya.?
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Permalink Reply by ibrahim on -
assalamu alaykum,
alhamdulillah
hindi kasama sa ating paniniwala ang Bibliya bilang salita ng Dios, kundi ang yaon lamang binaggit na mga revelations na Suhuf kay Ibrahim,pbuh, Torah kay Moses,pbuh, Zabur kay Dawud,pbuh, Injil kay Essa(Jesus)pbuh, at Qur'an kay Propeta Muhammad,pbuh. ngunit ang Bibliya sa ngayon ay hindi na ang mga nabanggit na mga previous revelations or books of Allah.
kung ano lamang ang sinuportahan ng Qur'an bilang Al-Furqan (The Criterion or Basis of right and wrong) na nasa Bibliya sa ngayon ay maaring masasabi nating nalalabing mga katotohanan sa Bibliya, ngunit wla na ang Salita ni Allah sa Bibliya.
kung may mga verses man sa Bibliya na sumusuporta sa katotohanan ng Islam, ay ating magagamit ito sa mga Christians na naniniwala na ang Bibliya ay Salita ng Dios, upang maging hakbang na maunawaan nila ang Islam, na ang kahulugan nito at mga aral ay nasa Bibliya pa rin kahit ito ay binago na ng mga tao.
pero sa mga Muslim ay mlinaw sa atin na hindi para sa atin ang Bibliya, kundi ang ating gabay ay ang Qur'an at ang Sunnah ni Propeta Muhammad,sas, lamang, wala nang iba pa.
yong isang discussion tungkol sa Bibliya ni bro white jewel ay mayroon nang paliwanag tungkol dito.
naway laging gabayan tayo ni Allah, ameen
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Permalink Reply by Abdul Rahman Hinggo on -
Abdul Rahman Hinggo said:alhamdulillah bro jazakallahu khair, naniniwala po ba tayo ukol lamang sa verse na ito (john 14:6) during the life time of jesus christ at meron po ba itong kaugnayan sa ating pananampalataya. Bro white jewels i know you are particular of this verse, can you share with us.
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Permalink Reply by WhiteJewel on -
Assalamu alaikum Bro Abdul Rahman Hinggo!
Pasensya na po hindi ako naka-reply kaagad kasi di ko alam na may tanong pala saakin dito at busy rin ako sa debates ko dun sa public sqaure.
http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showthread.php?t=51070 at saka dito: http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showthread.php?t=50801&highlig....
Unang una, marami pa pong mas maalam kaysa akin dito tungkol sa bibliya; konti lang po talaga ang kaalaman ko kaya maaari ka rin magtanong sa mga maalam dito.
ito po ang masasabi ko tungkol sa tanong mo:
Unang una, hindi po tayo sigurado na sinabi nga yan ni Propet Jesus a.s. kasi nakatala yan sa bibliya na nasa category na MAWDHU or fabricated writings attributed to God/Allah s.w.t. Kumbaga sa category ng mga ahadith ay rejeted ang riwayah na yan kasi ad hoc, mawdhu.
Pangalawa, yan po ay nakasulat sa Gospel according to John. Si John ay disipolo daw ni Jesus pbuh ang sumulat nyan ngunit napag-alama ng mga skolars na ang Gospel according to John ay hindi siguradong si John nga ang sumulat, at ito ay kakaiba sa tatlong Gospels (synoptic gospels). Ito ay isinulat 70 years pagkatapos ng mga pangyayari - isipin mo kung gaano na katanda si John sa mga panahon na yan para magsulat pa ng ganyan kadaming sulat.
dapat mo rin malaman na ang nauna sa apat na Gospels ay yaong Gospel according to Mark - Si Mark ay hindi isa sa mga disipolo ni Jesus pbuh - bakit nauna pa sya magsulat kompara kay John at Mateo? kadudaduda diba?
Ayon sa mga skolars, si Mateo, at Lukas ay nangopya lamang sa sulat ni Mark at dinagdagan lamang ang kanilang sulat?
Bakit kelangan pang magopya ni Mateo na eye-witness sa mga pangyayari dun kay Mark na wala doon? Kalokohan diba?
anyway balik tayo sa tanong.
John 14:6 (New International Version)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Kung titingnan po natin ang kontexto at ipagpapalagay muna na sinabi nga yan ni Propeta Jesus a.s. - wala po tayong problema sa verse na yan dahil totoo yan noong kapanahonan ni Propeta Jesus a.s. dahil sya lamang ang daan tungo sa tamang landas, ang landas ng Diyos kasi sya ang sugo na ipinadala sa panahong yaon. Kapag hindi ka sumunod sa mga aral nya, hindi ka maliligtas.
dapat mo rin pansinin na hindi nya sinabing "I am the ONLY way" bakit hindi only way? dahil maraming ways kung paano naligtas ang mga tao - ang mga tao ay naligtas sa pamamagitan ng pagsunod ng mga aral ng mga naunang Propeta, Noah, Abraham, Moses at iba pa - ibig sabihin hindi lang si Propeta Hesus ang way.
Ngayon, may bagong way na naman. Actually old way na ito dahil ito rin yung way nina Propeta Noah, Abraham, Moses Hesus at iba pa, ngunit natabunan ng mga kasinungalingan ng mga koraptors ng bibliya. Ang way na ito ay ang way ni Propeta Muhammad s.a.w.
Si Propeta Muhammad ngayon ang the truth, the way and the life, no one can find a way to God but through him.
Ang sabi nya: Man amila amalan fa laysa minho fa huwa radh - aw qama qala alaihi salatu wa salam
ang sino man na gumagawa (ng ibada) na kakaiba sa turo namin (ni Propeta Muhammad) ay hindi tatanggapin ni Allah s.w.t.
Jazakallahu Khairan Bro. Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah.
Abdul Rahman Hinggo said:alhamdulillah bro jazakallahu khair, naniniwala po ba tayo ukol lamang sa verse na ito (john 14:6) during the life time of jesus christ. Bro white jewels i know you are particular of this verse, can you share with us.
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Permalink Reply by Abdul Rahman Hinggo on
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alhamdulillah jazakallahu khair brothers, isa sa mga mabigat na verse kasi yang john 14:6 na pinaghawakan ng mga christianismo at madalas yang binabato sa amin sa tuwing magkaroon kami ng dawah dito sa pilipino souq. Ganun pa man, naniniwala po kami sa verse na yan subalit hindi sinabi ni cristo na sambahin nyo ako bagkus sundin lamang ang mga kautusan...
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Permalink Reply by ibrahim on
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tama bro, kahit saang part ng new testament ay hindi mababasa na sinabi ni Jesus na siya ay Dios o kaya ay sambahin siya.
kaya sa atin ay hindi problema ang verse na yan,
ang tanong sa kanila ay : sino ba ang sinasamba ni Jesus? dahil may sinabi si Jesus na mayroon siyang Dios na knikilala at sinasamaba.
tingnan muna natin kung ang mga katangian ba ni Jesus ay katulad din ng Dios na sinasamba niya?
The characteristics of God in the Bible
1. God is the only One to be worshipped – Exodus 20:1-5, Deuteronomy 4:39, 6:4-9, And there is no one like Him – 1Kings 8:60 & Isaiah 46:9
2. God is the only Saviour and Before God there was no god was formed – Isaiah 43:10-11 & 45:21-23 compare with Hebrews 5:7 when Jesus was crying out loud while praying to GOD to save him.
3. God is a spirit (meaning invisible- nobody can see Him) – John 4:24, 1Tinothy 6:16
4. God’s voice cannot be heard (that is the reason why HE was sending Messengers and Prophets to deliver HIS message) John 5:37
5. God is King eternal, Immortal (does not die- always alive), invisible and Only God - 1Timothy1:17
6. God is all-knowing and the only One who knows the Last Day (or the hour) – Mark 13:32 compare with Mark 11:12-13 when Jesus did not even know the season of figs, did not know that there were no fig fruit on the fig tree.
7. God cannot be tempted by evil - James 1:3 compare with Mark 1:12-13, Luke 4:13, Matthew 4:1-9 when Jesus was tempted several times by evil
8. God alone should be worshipped even according to Jesus – Mark 12:29 &Matthew 4:10
9. God is greater than all – John 10:29 and God is greater than Jesus – John 14:28, compare with John 5:30 when Jesus himself said that he of his own self can do nothing.
10. God is the only One who is good – Mark 10:18 & Matthew 19:17
What Jesus has to say about himself?
1. I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel (meaning he was a Messenger or a Propeht to the children of Israel) – Matthew 15:24 & 10:5-6
2. Jesus said: And this is life eternal that they may know You, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent( as a Messenger or Prophet) John 17:3
3. My Father is greater than I – John 14:28
4. My Father who gave them to me is greater than all – John 10:29
5. What I teach is not my own teaching but it comes from God who sent me – John 7:16
6. The words that you hear from me are not mine but it is from my Father who has sent me – John 14:24
7. I cast out devils with the spirit of God – Matthew 12:28
8. I with the finger of God, cast out devils – Luke 11:20
9. I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear I judge and my judgment is just because I seek no my own will but the will of my Father who has sent me. – John 5:30
10. My food is to do the will of Him who sent me. – John 4:34
ANYBODY WHO SAYS I DO NOT DO MY OWN WILL BUT THE WILL OF GOD IS A MUSLIM IN ARABIC
and doing the will of God is submission to His will whcih is Islam in Arabic
11. Jesus said: Not everyone who says to me lord, lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only the one who does the will of my Father in Heaven. – Matthew 7:21-23
12. when one asked Jesus what to do in order to inherit eternal life, Jesus said; why do you call me good, there is no good but One, that is GOD. If you want to enter into life , obey the law (the will of the Father is the Law of God) Matthew 19:16-17
13. Jesus worships GOD – Luke 5:16, Hebrews 5:7, John 20:17
14. Jesus said (on his allegged cricifixion): my God, my God why hast thou forsaken me--Mark15:34
WHAT HIS DISCIPLES AND THOSE WHO WITNESSED HIM HAVE TO SAY ABOUT JESUS?
1.This man is really a Prophet – John 7:40,
2. surely this a Prophet who is come into the world – John 6:14
3. Jesus who was a Prophet- Luke 24:19
4. This is Jesus the Prophet of Nazareth- Matthew 21:11
5. Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, was a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs. Acts 2:22
kaya dapat na sambahin din natin ang Dios na sinasamba ni Jesus, at sundin natin si Jesus na gumagawa ng kalooban o nagpapasakop at sumusunod sa kalooban ng Dios bilang isang Muslim sa arabic. as Jesus said: Very truly I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that i do( that Jesus obeyed and submitted to the will of God) John 14:12, 15, 21 and chapter 15:14,
Jesus was a Muslim and a worshipper of God so the christians should obey and follow Jesus if they really believe in Jesus.
may Allah guide us all bro and reward us as we share the truth with others who are still gone astray, ameen
Abdul Rahman Hinggo said:alhamdulillah jazakallahu khair brothers, isa sa mga mabigat na verse kasi yang john 14:6 na pinaghawakan ng mga christianismo at madalas yang binabato sa amin sa tuwing magkaroon kami ng dawah dito sa pilipino souq. Ganun pa man, naniniwala po kami sa verse na yan subalit hindi sinabi ni cristo na sambahin nyo ako bagkus sundin lamang ang mga kautusan...
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Permalink Reply by Francisco"Abdussalam" Delarmente on -
assalamualaikom waramatulahi wabarakatuh!!!!!!!! eto nlang bro para wala na tau marami pang pag usapan ipaliwanag nlang ntin n ang John. !4:6 ay ommited n e2 sa new version of the bible, o kaya e search ntin sa net, is (John 14:6 is still exist?), mga christian n mismo ang nagsabi na hindi nga e2 kapaniwala kasi isa laang etong footnote, isiningit laang etong verse na eto!!!! wassalam!!!!!! Alahu !!!!! Akhbar!!!!!!
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